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ty cobb. but first kara scannell, outside the courthouse in manhattan, and kara, you and i spent a lot of time together today in lower manhattan. what do you expect when packer good? it's back on the stand tomorrow under cross-examination trump's lawyers had about one hour of cross-examination with david pecker. and in that time, david pecker acknowledged that it was standard operating procedure for media companies to work with politicians but he also testified that he was at the heart of these deals and that he was involved with them and had many conversations with michael cohen, david pecker, serving as a narrator for the prosecution, taking the jury inside three of these catch-and-kill deals and testifying repeatedly that he was involved with them and help broker them to help donald trump's camp payne new details on the hush money payout to adult film star stormy daniels from an ex-tabloid executive back on the stand. we're counting how he brokered a deal at the center of the case against f
ty cobb. but first kara scannell, outside the courthouse in manhattan, and kara, you and i spent a lot of time together today in lower manhattan. what do you expect when packer good? it's back on the stand tomorrow under cross-examination trump's lawyers had about one hour of cross-examination with david pecker. and in that time, david pecker acknowledged that it was standard operating procedure for media companies to work with politicians but he also testified that he was at the heart of these...
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trump's former lawyer, ty cobb, he talked about why these attacks continue on these judges. he says the following. it's clearly strategic. and this guy served his white house lawyer, ty cobb did, his attacks are designed around delegitimizing the proceedings, about stalling, trying to make this case not start this month. >> there's a track record there. remember, he did this throughout the mueller investigation. he basically engaged in witness intimidation. i think there was overt obstruction of justice during that investigation. he did this routinely in new york as a developer. if he couldn't get the zoning he wanted, he would go after mayors. if he couldn't get a local business to get out of his way, he went after the business owners. he's just doing this on a bigger stage now, of course. and the implications of it are formore disturbing because he's a former president with a closely watched social media feed. and with followers who are deeply devoted to him. so when he makes a threat to anyone in his purview, it carries the real possibility of violence with it. whether it
trump's former lawyer, ty cobb, he talked about why these attacks continue on these judges. he says the following. it's clearly strategic. and this guy served his white house lawyer, ty cobb did, his attacks are designed around delegitimizing the proceedings, about stalling, trying to make this case not start this month. >> there's a track record there. remember, he did this throughout the mueller investigation. he basically engaged in witness intimidation. i think there was overt...
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then you have trump's former attorney, ty cobb, who said this is strategic in another way, that the goal is to delegitimize the proceedings. i wonder if you heard anything from anyone involved in the campaign, expressing concern that he's going too far. maybe there is the possibility that trump's words actually do spur someone to act beyond, you know, trying to cause havoc in the lives of a judge or his family. >> short answer to your question is no. it is not the kind of thing that members of the campaign typically deal with. though the evidence for that kind of thing is all around them, going back to 2018, a lot of us remember covering those pipe bombs that were sent to political figures around the country, by someone who essentially was inspired by going after donald trump's enemies. to all the people who testified in court related to january 6th related cases about the way in which they felt the former president's influence on their behavior. but i think the ty cobb comment is spot on, in a sense that donald trump's attacks on a judge, on a judge's family member are in some cases one
then you have trump's former attorney, ty cobb, who said this is strategic in another way, that the goal is to delegitimize the proceedings. i wonder if you heard anything from anyone involved in the campaign, expressing concern that he's going too far. maybe there is the possibility that trump's words actually do spur someone to act beyond, you know, trying to cause havoc in the lives of a judge or his family. >> short answer to your question is no. it is not the kind of thing that...
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we just heard from ty cobb, she's incompetentincompetent. this was, i agree, wylie. she didn't make a decision about things that would otherwise be cause for appeal. so she basically pump a situation in front of jack smith where she's telling him you have nothing to appeal, because i haven't made a decision yet about the presidential records act. i haven't made a decision about what the law is going to be in front of the jury, what the jury instructions are going to look like. i'm going to really take my time to consider that. i might wait until the trial starts when it's too late for you to appeal, when you can't appeal if, for example, donald trump is found not guilty. very wylie. >> dave, i want to stay on this, because it's really important for everybody to understand, judge cannon is setting land mines, isn't she? this idea that double jeopardy attaches once the jury gets sworn in. the jury could acquit donald trump. the judge could administer a judgment of acquittal and let donald trump walk free out of that courtroom. what's the resource available for jack smi
we just heard from ty cobb, she's incompetentincompetent. this was, i agree, wylie. she didn't make a decision about things that would otherwise be cause for appeal. so she basically pump a situation in front of jack smith where she's telling him you have nothing to appeal, because i haven't made a decision yet about the presidential records act. i haven't made a decision about what the law is going to be in front of the jury, what the jury instructions are going to look like. i'm going to...
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i'd front now, ty cobb, a former trump white house lawyer. so thai obviously there's some intellectual hoops to jump through to even get there. so the judge then says no to trump's immunity claim in the hush money case. but as seven points out, his attorneys are still pursuing other avenues to try to delay the trial, to complain about the publicity around it, to get the judge kicked off all these things. the trial though is set to start in just days. right. and just over ten days on april 15 will trump succeed at delaying it beyond that >> i don't believe. so. although i don't think we're done with attempts to delay it, and i think that those attempts will get even more desperate. i would not be surprised to see trump's team tried to mandamus the judge over the recusal issue or over the immunity issue. i don't think either of those could be brought and good faith, but as the judge has pointed out, in the most recent hearing, he has very difficult time believing trump's attorneys are acting in good faith at this stage of the game. and i think
i'd front now, ty cobb, a former trump white house lawyer. so thai obviously there's some intellectual hoops to jump through to even get there. so the judge then says no to trump's immunity claim in the hush money case. but as seven points out, his attorneys are still pursuing other avenues to try to delay the trial, to complain about the publicity around it, to get the judge kicked off all these things. the trial though is set to start in just days. right. and just over ten days on april 15...
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here's the former white house lawyer, the trump white house lawyer, ty cobb i think the evidence of her biases pretty palpable at this stage of the game. i think the 11th circuit tried desperately to draw a line for her, but her delays here are extraordinary filing today makes it plain that she has to rule and if she doesn't rule under either under either scenario, there'll be in a position to take her up to the lens circuit. and i think 11th circuit will likely take her off the case all right. >> turning his now cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson jelly. good morning. wonderful to see you >> let's start there with what ty cobb had to say about aileen cannon because this is increasingly becoming part of the conversation in terms of how she is handling this it's filing from jack smith was really a remarkable one. we don't hear a lot from him. and this that's really it took me by surprise. can can you help us understand me what stood out to you in the filing and what do you think happens next with judge cannon? >> yeah. casey, good morning to you. i think what sto
here's the former white house lawyer, the trump white house lawyer, ty cobb i think the evidence of her biases pretty palpable at this stage of the game. i think the 11th circuit tried desperately to draw a line for her, but her delays here are extraordinary filing today makes it plain that she has to rule and if she doesn't rule under either under either scenario, there'll be in a position to take her up to the lens circuit. and i think 11th circuit will likely take her off the case all right....
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it's basically spurious to the case but the former trump white house attorney ty cobb says that this ruling by qanon would quote, permit an acquittal where none is warranted. tie will be with me in just a moment. >> this is >> all why cannons ruling though today, could have been a very big victory for trump. and once again, he saw it that way. he complimented her as he unleashed an attack on the special counsel, jack smith, trump today writing quote, that smith's should be sanctioned or center for the way he is attacking a highly respected judge, aileen cannon, who is presiding over his fake documents hoax case in florida. he's low light, is nasty, rude, and condescending and obviously trying to play the raf there's a lot to cover tonight. i want to start with paula reid, though it paula's outfront in washington and it appears that trump has two big losses today, but that isn't really the case, is it? >> no, he's losing buddies, winning it, speaking with sources close to these cases, aaron untold, they are playing a long game. look, we said in 1 million times they're number one strat
it's basically spurious to the case but the former trump white house attorney ty cobb says that this ruling by qanon would quote, permit an acquittal where none is warranted. tie will be with me in just a moment. >> this is >> all why cannons ruling though today, could have been a very big victory for trump. and once again, he saw it that way. he complimented her as he unleashed an attack on the special counsel, jack smith, trump today writing quote, that smith's should be...
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great to see you. >> and former trump white house lawyer ty cobb joins me now. so tie last night we were on together. you were talking about judge aileen cannon. you had said that, quote, evidence of her bias is pretty palpable. you said she was grossly incompetent. then today you got to read the ruling how do you feel after you saw it >> so i think she had an opportunity today to listen to review the criticism she received yesterday, and i just from me, but from many other commentators and i think it triggered a fight or flight moment for her. and instead of fighting are leave flying she failed. this. >> keep in >> mind that this ruling is on emotion that has probably a cumulative total of 50 plus pages of legal briefs, detailed citations to the case law jack smith, making it plain that the presidential records act has nothing to do with the case. and that not only should trump lose the motion to dismiss the presidential records act considerations, should be completely withdrawn from the case instead, she issues instead of citing a single one of those cases, wh
great to see you. >> and former trump white house lawyer ty cobb joins me now. so tie last night we were on together. you were talking about judge aileen cannon. you had said that, quote, evidence of her bias is pretty palpable. you said she was grossly incompetent. then today you got to read the ruling how do you feel after you saw it >> so i think she had an opportunity today to listen to review the criticism she received yesterday, and i just from me, but from many other...
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here was former trump white house lawyer ty cobb last night i think the evidence from her bias is pretty palpable at this stage of the game. i think the 11th circuit tried desperately to draw a line for her, but her delays here are extraordinary filing today makes it plain that she has to rule. and if she doesn't rule under either under either scenario, there'll be in a position to take her up to the lens circuit. and i think 11th circuit will likely take her off the case okay. joining me, i'll see cnn senior crime and justice part of kaitlan, polantz, our panels also still here caitlin, good morning. wonderful to see you >> the judge, in the hush money case basically >> dispensing with this kind of last-minute trump attempt to delay the case. there. but this stuff that's going on with aileen cannon, this sort of surprise filing from jack smith and now ty cobb racing, raising the possibility that she could actually get thrown off of that case >> can you help us understand because that >> possibility, how would that play out? it always could be. there are steps before you really get to th
here was former trump white house lawyer ty cobb last night i think the evidence from her bias is pretty palpable at this stage of the game. i think the 11th circuit tried desperately to draw a line for her, but her delays here are extraordinary filing today makes it plain that she has to rule. and if she doesn't rule under either under either scenario, there'll be in a position to take her up to the lens circuit. and i think 11th circuit will likely take her off the case okay. joining me, i'll...
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. >> ty cobb, always good to speak with you. >> thanks. >> he found nothing, then wrote the book "disproven". pushing some of the same election fraud claims that he helped debunk. the new criticism about the election campaign, this one hits close to home. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? it's time to wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention. sara federico: at st. jude, we don't care who cures cancer. we just need to advance the cure. it's a bold initiative to try and bump cure rates all around the world, but we should. it is our commitment. we need to do this. (vo) verizon small business days are coming. april 22nd to the 28th. get a free tech check. and special offers and deals. don't miss out. partner with our experts today. i don't want you to move. i'm gonna miss you so much. you realize we'll have internet waiting for us at the new place, rig
. >> ty cobb, always good to speak with you. >> thanks. >> he found nothing, then wrote the book "disproven". pushing some of the same election fraud claims that he helped debunk. the new criticism about the election campaign, this one hits close to home. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? it's time to wake...
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. >> let me play what -- ty cobb used to be his white house lawyer. this is what he said about cannon's actions. >> i think the evidence is too overwhelming. she may be incompetent, but at this stage of the game, her incompetence is so gross that it creates the perception of par partiality. >> you have stephen miller tweeting -- this is wednesday morning, the left organized effort to intimidate judge cannon is an attack on the judiciary. there's a campaign for her in trump land. she does this thing that preserved her ability to maybe dismiss this case. right? couldn't she dismiss the case and say presidential records act and no one could do anything? >> she could. she could do that after the conclusion of the government's presentation of its case. she could also leave that to the jury. i want to underscore that the jury has already been impanelled and the government's right to appeal those actions are extinguished. the government was trying to say to her, the presidential records act has no role in this case. you need to make a firm and determinative
. >> let me play what -- ty cobb used to be his white house lawyer. this is what he said about cannon's actions. >> i think the evidence is too overwhelming. she may be incompetent, but at this stage of the game, her incompetence is so gross that it creates the perception of par partiality. >> you have stephen miller tweeting -- this is wednesday morning, the left organized effort to intimidate judge cannon is an attack on the judiciary. there's a campaign for her in trump...
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. >> what about what ty cobb told me yesterday about one thing that trump could do to help his lawyer, todd blanche. let's watch. >> one of the things that hampers todd blanche is trump's unwillingness to acknowledge he had the two affairs and if he would acknowledge it would make it much easier for him to try the case and challenge the witnesses and it's a very heavy lift if karen mcdougal and stormy daniels testify to suggest that these events never happens. i don't think that you -- a jury will believe it. >> i believe what his intervening which is it won't happen and it's pretty interesting but i do not think trump will testify which means there's hardly anything to his defense so everything they will have to do will be on cross- examination of the different witnesses and you take mcdougal and daniels, to go after them and accuse them of lying. jurors recoil from that kind of treatment and think about other witnesses, hope hicks comes to mind, no reason to lie, very credible and has some killer things to say and it will be very hard to cross-examine and the things he would like to
. >> what about what ty cobb told me yesterday about one thing that trump could do to help his lawyer, todd blanche. let's watch. >> one of the things that hampers todd blanche is trump's unwillingness to acknowledge he had the two affairs and if he would acknowledge it would make it much easier for him to try the case and challenge the witnesses and it's a very heavy lift if karen mcdougal and stormy daniels testify to suggest that these events never happens. i don't think that you...
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i think what ty cobb must mean if it's strategic, either to be a total, nasty, incendiary jerk if that's a strategy, or to try to get a judges goat as a way of making it look, to a court of appeals, that someone is biased, has it in for him and that's a reason to recuse and a reason to delay. he hasn't gotten out of the batter's box on that one. and i don't think he will. a pretty composed professional. >> he gives his supporters the perfect out. if things don't go well for him, they have the narrative. it's a crooked judge, the judge had it in for him and further erode trust that people have in our institutions, which is a big risk. before you go, >> but that's 100% of now, that's been it all along, but now it's different, he's really got to delay the trial. but there's always the political strategy, i agree, i don't get dovetails with any delay now. sorry, go ahead. >> i got one more. in true trump style, he has another legal battle. he is now suing the cofounders of truth social. the guys who brought him the deal, he's now saying they failed in their duties, they should relinquish the
i think what ty cobb must mean if it's strategic, either to be a total, nasty, incendiary jerk if that's a strategy, or to try to get a judges goat as a way of making it look, to a court of appeals, that someone is biased, has it in for him and that's a reason to recuse and a reason to delay. he hasn't gotten out of the batter's box on that one. and i don't think he will. a pretty composed professional. >> he gives his supporters the perfect out. if things don't go well for him, they have...
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. >> can i ask you quickly that something that ty cobb said to me and he said if donald trump which is fess up and say yes, this happened, these two affairs with karen mcdougle and stormy daniels that it would go a lot better for him at the trial and do you think and i'm not saying the affairs happen as donald trump continues to deny them do you think that with melania trump if he is not confessing it is because of melania and him not wanting to hurt her, make her angry or be on the receiving end of her wrath, whatever we submit in the court of public opinion and also honestly with his family if he did just fess up and say, this was 15 years ago and i made a mistake and being humble about it it will go a long way but legally it probably would not be good because then he is saying that the payoff happens but he of course will deny it until the day he dies and it's just who he is. >> hope hicks is listed as a potential witness, what might the jury hear from her that could be damaging? >> a lot of people are hopeful she will drop some kind of a bombshell but my hopes are not up, i think s
. >> can i ask you quickly that something that ty cobb said to me and he said if donald trump which is fess up and say yes, this happened, these two affairs with karen mcdougle and stormy daniels that it would go a lot better for him at the trial and do you think and i'm not saying the affairs happen as donald trump continues to deny them do you think that with melania trump if he is not confessing it is because of melania and him not wanting to hurt her, make her angry or be on the...
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cobb is not fully buying the idea that this is just inexperienced. and again, before i run this clip, i just want to remind people. this is a former trump attorney. let's roll yes, she may be in competent, but at this stage of the game the hearn competence is so >> gross that i think it clearly creates the perception of impartiality, of partiality in her attempt to put her thumb on the scale. so i think that should disqualify what's your tick >> i think i see things probably a little bit differently i tend to ascribe these sorts of incidents where i can to sort of normal human frailties rather than malice i do think she's an experienced not just on the sort of criminal classified documents setting that's very rare to have that type of experience. but more generally, complex large litigation, she doesn't seem to have any experience managing it and a lot of the problems that was referring to the backlog of motions and things like that i see as a function of that, i also see some of the commentary that she has been making, including this order this week
cobb is not fully buying the idea that this is just inexperienced. and again, before i run this clip, i just want to remind people. this is a former trump attorney. let's roll yes, she may be in competent, but at this stage of the game the hearn competence is so >> gross that i think it clearly creates the perception of impartiality, of partiality in her attempt to put her thumb on the scale. so i think that should disqualify what's your tick >> i think i see things probably a...
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i want to play some sound from ty cobb, not the baseball player that would be a good that'll be a good booking though. but from the lawyer who did represent donald trump for a while, who's, on with aaron last night. listen you know yes, she may be in competent, but at this stage of the game the hurrying competence is so gross that i think it clearly creates the perception of impartiality partiality, and her attempt to put her thumb on the scale. so i think that should disqualify yeah. >> so i think the fact that a judge shubi or moved from a case and can be or will be removed from the case are two very different things. now, merely a judge getting it wrong isn't going to be sufficient to get a judge kicked off. judges get it wrong, and that's why we have appeals courts to sort of challenge their decisions. now, with the justice barbara did something really, really smart yesterday and saying, you have to roll on this motion before the juries and panel. if not, we lose our right to appeal or will, and then we'll move to get you kicked off. why they did that is that judges have an obligat
i want to play some sound from ty cobb, not the baseball player that would be a good that'll be a good booking though. but from the lawyer who did represent donald trump for a while, who's, on with aaron last night. listen you know yes, she may be in competent, but at this stage of the game the hurrying competence is so gross that i think it clearly creates the perception of impartiality partiality, and her attempt to put her thumb on the scale. so i think that should disqualify yeah. >>...
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cobb here with us in new york. all right, so we're all just getting a chance to look through this here ryan, i'm just going through quickly nine felony counts but can we just just hone in here on this? obviously, the fake electors in the state of arizona charged. can we just hone in on this inner circle of trump page 20? i'm just gonna hold up for everyone to see all these black marks are redacted names but some of these names are include mark meadows, rudy giuliani, bosch, epstein, and what else can you tell? >> so i think what's incredible here is that donald trump is unindicted coconspirator number one, unindicted, yet his to alter egos, mark meadows, who was his chief of staff, and rudy giuliani, his personal attorney are indicted so how is it explicative will that that donald trump is not indicted? i think that's the key question just to take a page from the federal indictment which identifies rudy giuliani running with donald trump in arizona to overturn the popular vote. >> puppet of the federal indictment s
cobb here with us in new york. all right, so we're all just getting a chance to look through this here ryan, i'm just going through quickly nine felony counts but can we just just hone in here on this? obviously, the fake electors in the state of arizona charged. can we just hone in on this inner circle of trump page 20? i'm just gonna hold up for everyone to see all these black marks are redacted names but some of these names are include mark meadows, rudy giuliani, bosch, epstein, and what...